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July 15, 2008 – 12:23 a.m.
Obama’s Iraq Flip-Flop? Nope.
By Angie Drobnic Holan, Politifact
The day before the Fourth of July weekend, Barack Obama talked about the likelihood that he will soon travel to Iraq and what it means for his foreign policy.
“I’ve always said that the pace of withdrawal would be dictated by the safety and security of our troops and the need to maintain stability. That assessment has not changed,” he said. “And when I go to Iraq and have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I’m sure I’ll have more information and will continue to refine my policies.”
The John McCain campaign and the Republican National Committee pounced on those comments, charging Obama with flip-flopping.
“Since announcing his campaign in 2007, the central premise of Barack Obama ’s candidacy was his commitment to begin withdrawing American troops from Iraq immediately,” said Brian Rogers, a McCain spokesman. “Today, Barack Obama reversed that position proving once again that his words do not matter. He has now adopted John McCain ’s position that we cannot risk the progress we have made in Iraq by beginning to withdraw our troops immediately without concern for conditions on the ground.”
“There appears to be no issue that Barack Obama is not willing to reverse himself on for the sake of political expedience,” said Alex Conant, a spokesman for the national Republican Party. “Obama’s Iraq problem undermines the central premise of his candidacy and shows him to be a typical politician.”
We reviewed Obama’s statements on Iraq from the campaign to try to uncover whether he was back-tracking on earlier promises. Iraq was one of the most pressing issues of the Democratic primary, discussed and dissected during more than 20 debates.
We found that Obama has made a few points about Iraq over and over again: that he opposed the war “from the start”; that U.S. troops should leave Iraq quickly and in an orderly fashion (“as careful getting out as we were careless getting in”); and that the U.S. should not have permanent bases inside Iraq.
How quickly should troops leave? His campaign Web site says the following: “Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.”
The McCain campaign and the RNC have pointed to the “16 months” statement as an indication that Obama favors a “precipitous withdrawal”, presumably as early as the middle of 2010. (We checked that claim earlier here and found it Half True.) They also point to a March 2008 statement from Obama’s campaign manager David Plouffe.
“On Iraq, he has been very clear,” Plouffe said in March 2008. “He offered a withdrawal plan well over a year ago. It’s essential to his candidacy and a rock-solid commitment . . . It will be 16 months at the most where you can withdraw combat troops.”
Plouffe’s statement appears to be the best evidence to support the McCain campaign’s argument. Plouffe was responding to comments from former Obama adviser Samantha Power, who had said the 16-month timeframe was a “best-case scenario” that Obama wouldn’t necessarily follow once he was in office. Power was forced to resign after calling Hillary Clinton a “monster.”
But does this mean a sixteen-month clock starts ticking the moment Obama enters office? We could not find a direct statement from Obama saying that, and found statements he made throughout the campaign that contradicted that.
Obama’s Iraq Flip-Flop? Nope.
For example:
• At a Democratic debate in Hanover, N.H. on Sept. 26, 2007, the late Tim Russert pressed Obama as to whether he would have all troops out by the end of his first term. “I think it’s hard to project four years from now, and I think it would be irresponsible. We don’t know what contingency will be out there,” Obama said. “I will drastically reduce our presence there to the mission of protecting our embassy, protecting our civilians and making sure that we’re carrying out counterterrorism activities there. I believe that we should have all our troops out by 2013, but I don’t want to make promises not knowing what the situation’s going to be three or four years out.”
• At a Democratic debate in Cleveland on Feb. 26, 2008, Obama said, “As soon as I take office, I will call in the Joint Chiefs of Staff, we will initiate a phased withdrawal, we will be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in. We will give ample time for them to stand up, to negotiate the kinds of agreements that will arrive at the political accommodations that are needed.”
• At a debate in Philadelphia on April 16, 2008, Obama said, “Now, I will always listen to our commanders on the ground with respect to tactics. Once I’ve given them a new mission, that we are going to proceed deliberately in an orderly fashion out of Iraq and we are going to have our combat troops out, we will not have permanent bases there, once I’ve provided that mission, if they come to me and want to adjust tactics, then I will certainly take their recommendations into consideration; but ultimately the buck stops with me as the commander in chief.”
• On “Meet the Press” on May 4, 2008, Russert asked Obama what he would do if advisers thought “a quick withdrawal” from Iraq would result in genocide. Obama replied, “Of course, I would factor in the possibilities of genocide, and I factored it in when I said that I would begin a phased withdrawal. What we have talked about is a very deliberate and prudent approach to the withdrawal -- one to two brigades per month. At that pace, it would take about 16 months, assuming that George Bush is not going to lower troop levels before the next president takes office. We are talking about, potentially, two years away. At that point, we will have been in Iraq seven years. If we cannot get the Iraqis to stand up in seven years, we’re not going to get them to stand up in 14 or 28 or 56 years.”
Taken in their entirety, Obama’s comments reflect a philosophy of “about 16 months” for withdrawal. He also appears to be willing to take advice from commanders on the ground that might affect the general pace, but not the overall goal of withdrawal. Yet Obama has been artful in his rhetoric. His campaign has clearly emphasized “16 months” when speaking to anti-war audiences and “about 16 months” when answering questions from withdrawal skeptics. But Obama never urged a “precipitous” withdrawal; even a bill he offered in January 2007 that set a deadline for getting out of Iraq contained an exemption for national security.
The Plouffe statement, however, stands out. Plouffe said the 16-month time frame was a “rock solid commitment.” But it’s the only statement we found that supports the idea of withdrawal with no allowances made for circumstances on the ground.
After the McCain campaign attacked Obama as a flip-flopper, the candidate responded with another press conference the same day.
“I intend to end this war,” Obama said. “My first day in office I will bring the joint chiefs of staff in, and I will give them a new mission. And that is to end this war. Responsibly, deliberately, but decisively. And I have seen no information that contradicts the notion that we can bring our troops out safely at a pace of one to two brigades per month. And again, that pace translates into having our combat troops out in 16 months’ time.”
Weighing all these statements together, we find the McCain campaign is off-base in saying Obama has changed position. Obama repeatedly said facts on the ground could affect the tactical moves of an overall withdrawal. Obama’s position was not an iron-clad withdrawal timeline in the first place. We find the McCain campaign’s statement that Obama has reversed position to be False.
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Comments
Thanks for posting this. Facts are wonderful things. Better than believing what someone else said he said.
This is a funny article - slanted but funny. Do you expect us to believe there's no flip-flop. Obama just seems to be moving Center from FAR left. Let get out of IRAQ immediately to lets bring troops back slowly and look at what the Generals say. There's no bigger flip in position. Compared to McCain its a FLOP. McCain position hasnt waivered. Stay until mission is complete and draw down as peace prospers or as Iraq sets timelines. Period.
Dean's the kind of guy who won't allow himself to be persuaded by the facts...in other words he's a typical republican.
Great Spin. Remember Obama will "redeploy" the troops. Some people actually thought that meant he would bring them home. It was political speak for send them to Afghanistan. Or do we call it "change speak?"
Did she get the information from Obamas website before he scrubbed it, or after. http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-scrubs-iraq-webpage.html
Let's all sing together . . . watch the bouncing ball: "flip-flopping away, flip-flopping a-way, he's but a moment of irritation as he keeps flip-flopping away." Ok, seriously, name me an issue that he hasn't flip-flopped on. He's got an "Iraq policy" without having visited Iraq. How can anyone take this guy seriously?
The point is that Obama is completely untrustworthy. He demonstrates, daily, that he does not understand the basic challenges of Iraq, Afghanistan and that he has no plan of his own. He himself as chair of the committee overseeing NATO should have studied and learned and should have a serious idea about what is going on in Afghanistan and the region -- he does not. He doesn't even know that they don't speak arabic in Afghanistan. He's a liar and an idiot and not a leader. He shouldn't be in charge of our military pure and simple. He can't even stand before a group of Americans and answer questions, why should we trust him to talk to heads of state?
He first derided Senator Clinton for setting time tables, then he set one himself when it was popular to do so. Now he is reneging on that. Hillary Clinton said what she would do and never changed the message. That's why 38 retired admirals and generals (including 2 former chairmen of the joint chiefs of staff) endorsed her as the best qualified to be Commander-In-Chief. Obama is not ready to be POTUS!! PUMA!! JustSayNoDeal
I am a proud Puma and I do believe that Obama has left a lot of wiggle room on the war. Also, on Meet the Press, Tim Russert shined a light on Obama stating in 2004 that he agreed with how Bush was handling the war, and that he didn't know how he would have voted on the war since he did not see the evidence because he was not in the U.S. Senate yet. So, to think that Obama was always against the war would be false. Also, please see: "The Obama Iraq Documentary: Whatever the Politics Demand" http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/17/the-obama-iraq-documentary-whatever-the-politics-demand/
I am a proud Puma and I do believe that Obama has left a lot of wiggle room on the war. Also, on Meet the Press, Tim Russert shined a light on Obama stating in 2004 that he agreed with how Bush was handling the war, and that he didn't know how he would have voted on the war since he did not see the evidence because he was not in the U.S. Senate yet. So, to think that Obama was always against the war would be false. Also, please see: "The Obama Iraq Documentary: Whatever the Politics Demand" http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/17/the-obama-iraq-documentary-whatever-the-politics-demand/
In summer 2007 Obama said very clearly, bring the troops out of Iraq to the real battlefield in Pakistan and Afganistan. That's why he got burned in effigy in Pakistan, and made fun of in the Pakistan press. Hillary and Bush tried to smooth Asian feathers.
Politifact sorts out the truth every day. Which truth has it sorted out in this pitiful display of O's flip-flopping. Last month's truth? Yesterday's truth? Last week's truth? What?
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