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Nov. 29, 2009 – 4:20 p.m.
Health Care, Jobs and Energizing the Base
By Kathleen Silvassy, CQ-Roll Call
Health care overhaul and the jobs picture — and how each could affect the 2010 midterm elections — prompted a little sparring Sunday between two ex-governors who both ran for president.
In a Nov. 23 interview with the Huffington Post, Howard Dean said the Senate Democratic leadership was “in deep trouble” on health care, even after Majority Leader Harry Reid , D-Nev., managed to get the 60 votes needed to get legislation to the floor.
“I think if you passed the Senate bill tomorrow it would be OK. But then the problem is they don’t have any defense for their members in 2010,” Dean said in the interview, noting that the public option would not become operational until 2014. “On the other hand, if they drop the public option [to placate moderate members], I think they lose seats.”
Appearing on “Fox News Sunday,” Dean, who was governor of Vermont from 1991 to 2002 and ran for president in 2004, said, “I think it’s tough right now. We’ve got to get a decent bill with a public option in it so that we don’t — aren’t forced into this — what we’ve been forced into for the last 30 years.
“Look, insurance companies take 27 percent off the top. They don’t do a terribly good job,” he said. “The costs have been going up at 2.5 times the rate of inflation. And the Democratic base expects, as we say, change you can believe in. And so I think ... Harry Reid has got a real problem on his hands, and he’s got to get these folks to pass a decent bill.”
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, a 2008 presidential candidate, also appearing on the Fox program, said the problem with health care in the United States is not “a health care crisis” but rather “a health crisis.”
“I think the critical area has to be to move toward a preventive-based system rather than what we currently have, which is intervention at the catastrophic level,” he said. “Eighty percent of the $2.5 trillion we spend on health care in this country is spent on chronic disease. We really don’t have a health care crisis ... We have a health crisis.”
Using the example of “an NFL football game, 22 people on the field in desperate need of rest, 70,000 people in the stands in desperate need of exercise,” Huckabee said, “If we don’t address this fundamental difference between the health and unhealthiness of the American population, we can spend all kinds of money, but we’re never going to spend our way into a system that will be functional and affordable.”
Dean agreed with Huckabee’s assessment of a preventive vs. illness-based health system but the two differed on the government-run health care plan known as the public option.
“Here’s the problem with the insurance reform in the House and the Senate bills. You can still charge two, three or four times as much to sick people as you do to healthy people,” he said. “ Now, I know Mike and I disagree about the public option, but I think people ought to have a choice.
“We have a socialist system of health care in this country that’s called the Veterans Administration,” he said. “It’s the number one rated health care system by its consumers of any system in the country, private or public. We have a single payer in this country. It’s called Medicare. Most people like it.
“But why can’t we have a choice between the private system, between the so-called single-payer system of Medicare and between the socialized system of the Veterans Administration? Give us choices. Those are the kinds of choices that will make a health care system better.”
Huckabee responded that “the one fear that I have about a public option is if you have the entire system subsidized by the federal government, then you put one entity — in this case, the government — ultimately in control. And more people, particularly small business owners, are going to be forced into that system because they can’t compete.”
Looking toward 2010 and 2012, Dean predicted that President Obama was “going to do fine” and would be re-elected in 2012 but “I think we’ll have a tough election in 2010 unless we can start dealing with the job situation.”
“He’s not in big trouble with his own base,” Dean said. “I think we need to give him time. If we are successful — and I do think there’s a better chance than not that we’ll pass a decent health care bill at the end of the day. It’s just a frustrating time right now. I think he needs some time and he’ll have that time and we’ll pass a decent health care bill that really is going to start reform.”
While Dean acknowledged that “our base matters” he maintained that the results of the Virginia and New Jersey governors’ races were not “a referendum on Barack Obama . Barack Obama wasn’t on the ballot.”
“But you’ve got to do the things to get your base energized. And if you don’t do that, they’re not going to come out in 2010. And that that’s why we need a real health care reform and not just some papered-over subsidy for the insurance industry.”
Still, Dean said, “Jobs are the biggest concern right now. I will say this — the stimulus package, which has come under Republican attack, has been unbelievably successful in saving jobs. Hundreds of thousands of teachers and police officers would have been laid off by the states. Now we have a big problem coming up. That money is going to be spent halfway through the next fiscal year and states are really going to be on the hook.”
Huckabee countered that despite the push on health care, “Everything needs to be put on the back burner until we get Americans back to work. We have an unemployment rate of 10.2 percent. The actual unemployment rate [is] probably more like 17 or 18, because so many people just quit looking for work.
“The number one issue in this country is jobs, getting people to work. That is not going to happen if government continues to scare the daylights out of business operators ... every one of them I know is hunkering down. Nobody’s hiring. Nobody’s expanding.”
The stimulus package, he said, “has been the biggest scam and waste of taxpayer money. And Howard is right on one thing, and I think we both would agree as former governors, the impact on states is going to be huge, but the states’ economy impact usually is 12 to 18 months trailing the feds. So watch for states to be sucking air somewhere this year and going into the election cycle of 2010, and it is going to be brutal — equal to, if not worse than, ‘01 and ‘02.”




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